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this is somewhere in the skies

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I have with me right now Tim Woolworths

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Tim a lot of my audience might not be

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familiar with their work man I mean yeah

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this is a UFO podcast so I was super

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excited to see your name pop up in the

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speaker's list because I wanted to see

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what a guy from the paranormal world has

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to say about UFOs so can you give our

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audience maybe a little a little

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elevator pitch as it were like what's

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your origin story when it comes to the

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paranormal the origin story it's kind of

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crazy my mother is like this Christian I

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mean uber Christian okay so growing up

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she had books on ghosts and scrying and

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demonic possession and all the stuff on

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the wall because she wanted to be a

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better Christian she wanted to know

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everything that she should protect

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herself from but Here I am this little

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impressionable kid and I'm seeing these

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pictures these woodcuts of witches and

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images of ghosts and talk of demons and

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exorcisms and I'm just devouring that

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stuff as a kid you know and that got my

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love the juices flowing for the

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paranormal throughout my entire life and

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also my stepfather as I mentioned in the

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talk earlier

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he's a conspiracy freak absolute

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conspiracy freak so I grew up watching

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the conspiracy side and videotapes okay

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as a kid of the late 70s early 80s and

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so I grew up watching like 20th

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generation VHS tapes of Bob lazarre's

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interviews because you couldn't get that

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stuff in New York and the internet

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wasn't a thing so he would he had a

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network of people and back a magazine

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stuff like that and he would get these

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tapes sent to him so I grew up watching

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this stuff as well so like the Phoenix

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lights the lights in Florida all that

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stuff I grew up with in real time and

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you follow G's always been there in my

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blood s has been the paranormal and a

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few years ago I realize there's this

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crossover between the paranormal and

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ufology right and before we go any

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further you've mentioned getting the

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juices flowing I have to admit you are

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one hell of a craft

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beer boiler my man cheers to that what

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are we drinking we are drinking a

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pumpkin ale that I named baby boo the

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baby boo is actually a pumpkin it's a

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yeah okay and this is a pumpkin Li brew

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it it came out at the end of September

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and I'm a pro brewer by trade and this

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has a bunch of caramelized pumpkin and

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spices in it and it's just super easy

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drinking yeah I mentioned to you earlier

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like pumpkin beer is my time of the year

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I go out in New York and find every

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single pumpkin beer I can possibly find

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but this I mean this takes the cake man

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thank you there's nothing like a home

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brewed beer in terms when you see like

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Sam Adams come out with a with a pumpkin

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beer I'm not gonna believe that they

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actually like you where they're mashing

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these things and getting everything just

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right it's like it's just you know it's

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a well-oiled machine when it comes to

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these big breweries so how is it

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competing with stuff like that out there

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well we're a smaller brewery

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we're considered a micro brewery because

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we do just under a thousand barrels a

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year okay but we're distributed all

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throughout southeastern Michigan and

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draft only not cans or bottles so you

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pick it up it you get at your bars okay

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and this beer last year it sold out in

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three and a half weeks I'm about two

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weeks right now and I've got probably a

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packed I might add well I brought a

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couple go yes so we've got two days to

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finish all of this you only have to

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drink a half gallon today that's true

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that's true I guess we should get back

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to UFOs I guess this could be a whole

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beer episode but um so tell us a little

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about what you talked about today which

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is I just heard you talk for the first

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time ever hmm and as soon as you started

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I was hearing words I'd never heard

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before in any UFO talk ever I mean you

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were talking about first of all the

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spirit box something that I'm a little

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familiar with I've used it off and on in

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the past that some small paranormal

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investigations I was a part of but could

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you explain to us sort of the technology

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that you talked about today yeah so my

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focus today was on something called

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instrumental transcommunication

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transcommunication is the use of any

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instrument and independent instrument so

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let's say the microphone you have on the

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table here right now is an instrument

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instrumental transcommunication is using

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entities and well what my main focus was

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it elementals be it aliens as we

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discussed today our transdimensional and

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their consciousness is being projected

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through some means we don't know and

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so today in the talk we we went over a

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few different methods of ITC that have

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ufology by the way you're just on your

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opinion I always say ufology and a lot

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of people say UFO what's your take oh

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man I'm in no position to make that

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determination I I would say ufology I

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think it sounds a little better than UFO

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ology year yeah all the chooser ologies

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exactly yeah and the other thing is like

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there's no degree so whenever people

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researcher you know go to school for

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this that you know there's no there's no

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degree in ufology but that's a really

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good question I call myself an ITC

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specialist there you go yeah yes yeah so

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meet UFO specialist so what we discussed

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today was hydro-man sea which is the use

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of scrying and light and liquid to

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obtain images from the other side and

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then write high drama see hydro-man sea

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goes back centuries like Nostradamus

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from the other side and we're also

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getting images that are possibly et you

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saw a few of those today what did you

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to the idea of what does it called

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pareidolia yeah yeah yeah so I mean we

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can always factor that sort of thing

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seeing this in an image but the images

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what to look for you were showing us the

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image and it was there before you even

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telling me and you know I had an idea

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faces yeah grace right right and I think

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Barney Hill case yes so for those who

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are from that were you familiar with

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or anything like that but that image

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pops up all the time and I always found

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myself being like what is that where is

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that firm I've never heard it in UFO

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literature before or seen seen it in UFO

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books so it was pretty interesting when

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he showed it to us yeah yeah so what

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he's referencing is Aleister Crowley who

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in podcast land and Crowley did a

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his consciousness into this void after

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lamb and he published it in a

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google Aleister Crowley lamb you're

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you've got the classic guitar pick head

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audience saying what do you see here and

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everybody said a gray and the thing that

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tripped everyone out was this was done

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grain in 1961 yeah so the cool thing

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when you actually extrapolate that out

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further which I didn't do in the talk

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today is if Aleister Crowley worked to

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then we started to see Gray's where is

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this whole thing due to his work

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right you have to wonder like was there

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an influence subconsciously did he open

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that portal right not close did he open

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because we in the UFO field look at

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modern UFO era with a kind of Kenneth

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know that he actually didn't see flying

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he saw a crescent-shaped object and the

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way it moved it looked like a saucer

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skipping on water the headline in the

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newspaper got it wrong and literally put

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flying saucer so what did everyone see

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after that saucers exactly so you gotta

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wonder when the first modern UFO era

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case wasn't even a flying saucer and

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everyone saw saucers after that what

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came first chicken or the egg you know

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well before that we had airships right

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yeah and then you know airships

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transmogrified into something else

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who knows right and another really

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interesting thing that you brought up

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was the spirit box who created this yes

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why he created and I you know this okay

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first of all would you mind giving us a

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little history yes and not a problem

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so if you want to dig in deeper I've got

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a site called ITC voices that covers all

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of this stuff but the ghost box as I

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call them spirit box is a bastardization

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of the name that came out in 2010 for a

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commercial device ghost boxes as they

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have become known were first created in

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2002 by a man named Frank sumption now

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creation of this box is just a

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fascinating story yeah so you have to go

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kind of back into history and that the

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first major waves that were made with

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EVP electronic voice phenomena for those

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who don't know it's basically where he

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put down a recorder you ask questions

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you play it back and sometimes you'll

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get answers that from a voice that

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wasn't in the room with you it's a

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phenomena that's been around since 1957

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so there's this guy named Constantine

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rava who wrote a book called

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breakthrough that brought EVP to the

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Western world it was in English and rot

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of a kind of became the jumping off

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point for EVP so in 1995 there was this

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author named Konstantinos and it was in

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popular science magazine or Popular

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Mechanics I can't remember right off the

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top of my head but it's October 1995 it

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was all about communicating with ghosts

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and it talked about Constantine rod of

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white noise which is a very very

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necessary part of communication and

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device that rod of a use called the rod

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of a diode Frank sumption the guy who

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created ghost boxes bought that magazine

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because he was all like the the old

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boards that we all used to use the

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message boards for those kids out there

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yeah which later turned into yahoogroups

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when that was a little yes so Frank had

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this magazine and he was all into EVP

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and ghosts and alien communication he

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thought the EVP would be great for alien

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communication so he bought this magazine

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read it put it on a shelf he was a high

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school janitor and in the season between

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2001 and 2002 he's on his Christmas

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vacation he pulls down the magazine he

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was a ham radio operator in Vietnam so

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he's kind of a tinkerer Wow excuse me uh

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yeah radio operator in Vietnam he had

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his own ham station he was an

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electronics engineer he was a janitor by

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trade so he pulled down this magazine

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read it went to sleep and a fully formed

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circuit to talk to aliens popped into

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his head he woke up he wrote it down

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and set about making the box the very

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first ghost box was made in a cookie tin

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and it's still sitting in his widows

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kitchen and he didn't know what to call

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it at that point in time the name

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eventually got ascribed ghost box and

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what it is is it's a box that's kind of

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crazy you have a radio receiver in it

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and basically the you're picking up and

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it's scanning this radio receiver at a

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super fast rate and with the good boxes

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like I have on all these cases over here

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he's got quite an arsenal over here I

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can admit to that you can you can change

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the speeds manually so you can run up

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and down the bandwidth manually and as

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it goes up and down the bandwidth voices

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start to form and the void that's

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created and you get crystal clear

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communication on some boxes and that's

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what a few of the et clips that I played

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today we're all about yeah they there

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were some startling audio clips that you

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shared with us where again what what I

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enjoyed about your presentation is you

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didn't tell us what to look at you

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didn't tell us what to listen for you

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just played it and let us decide you

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know and it was there man like I I heard

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it clear as day a few times the fact

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that Pleiades came through the fact that

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Anunnaki came through at one point yeah

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I was like oh God okay gave me chills

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yeah so Frank when he made these boxes

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he made them to talk to aliens and

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aliens started to talk to him and they

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said some really messed up stuff to him

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yeah they kept calling him but purple

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princess and when I had first met Frank

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he actually had purple earrings in his

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ear he Justin completely embraced the

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role so I call them a purple princess

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that he was a diva he was from the

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Pleiades okay he was the girl from the

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stars he he was brought here by a ship

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and dropped off the Anunnaki were going

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to pick him up soon okay and when I

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who told him

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[Applause]

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Frank I heard clear is de purple first

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of all that was like the big one um what

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was the other one I heard um Oh God

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well we had stuff like we brought Deva

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to them oh my god yeah yeah yeah set by

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the shake by the ship that was that one

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really and how did that sound to you

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those words it felt very um very

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mechanical very um

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non-human exactly no emotion yeah it was

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simply a means to communicate it wasn't

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about you know it's like a thought

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transferred into words exactly and

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consciousness transferred into words

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yeah and it sounds like it came from a

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species that doesn't speak English it

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just grabbed mechanical tones right and

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these and the cool part well not cool

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but they basically said in this

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particular clip were referencing that

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Frank was going to be picked up next and

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he was to stay advised because he's

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departing and he died three months later

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yeah

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coincidences and the synchronicity use

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that seem to be happening with all that

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is really startling um the idea of

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consciousness mm-hmm this is something

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that I think the UFO community is very

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new to I mean there's there have been

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people who brought this up in the past

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but when you have some of our most

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prominent scientists and physicists and

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everyone talking about if there is life

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out there they're gonna communicate with

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us through radio signal

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and where has that gotten us

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we talked earlier the wife said no okay

405
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yeah that's pretty much it if you think

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about it so why do we continue to use

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this means to try to communicate with et

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because on these boxes they communicated

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via radio yeah yeah but also the idea of

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consciousness you know communicating

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through the radio with consciousness -

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right consciousness is the key yeah

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because if you're dealing with a

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sentient being you're dealing with a

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conscious being but you want to find a

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way to communicate that you're gonna

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have consciousness on both ends and

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that's where instrumental

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transcommunication comes in right

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because consciousness that leads to

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consciousness it's it's it's hard to

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explain if you've never done ITC but

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you're dealing with a sentient being

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that is communicating with you that you

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cannot see physically physically right

426
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you are having conversations through a

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broken radio yeah yeah and they're

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making themselves known in two-way

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conversation right so for the skeptics

430
00:19:51,830 --> 00:19:48,119
out there yeah are these these nuts and

431
00:19:54,229 --> 00:19:51,840
bolts ufologists who unless that you

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know metal craft is on the ground and

433
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I've got trace evidence that I can look

434
00:20:03,710 --> 00:19:58,200
at what do you say to the people out

435
00:20:05,419 --> 00:20:03,720
there who don't don't ascribe to any of

436
00:20:08,180 --> 00:20:05,429
this consciousness stuff when it comes

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00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:08,190
to et what what would you say to them in

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terms of we haven't we haven't like oh

439
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in 70 years we've got some crop

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circles that may or may not be crop

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circles right that's it right we got

442
00:20:25,129 --> 00:20:22,080
some metals that you know you're all

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come back pretty prosaic in this case

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and the best part is these metals are

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passed from researcher to researcher and

446
00:20:32,599 --> 00:20:30,749
constantly get retested and it's always

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the same result right it's always the

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same result so I mean is this a whole

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avenue of you follow G that you think is

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is untapped I think it's wholly untapped

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okay if you go back into them to the

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annals of EVP history

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like Raymond Cass and Sara estep they

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were claiming that they were getting

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alien voices and I've listened to

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Cassidy there's the voice on there

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claiming to be from another planet and

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stuff like that okay

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these are simple techniques where you

460
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can just throw down a recorder for those

461
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who are out there doing like ce-5

462
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sessions if you're if you're meditating

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and trying to communicate with the with

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alien consciousness record it what have

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you got to lose when you're in a field

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doing an investigation just put the

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recorder down and sit there for hunt for

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half an hour and see what you get right

469
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I mean it's not hard to implement no

470
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it's not it's a simple press of a button

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yes like we're doing right now right my

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last question for a Tim is um there's

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been a lot of talk at the conference so

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far about the intersectionality of all

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these phenomena whether it's cryptids or

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in the supernatural

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or UFOs and we all seem to be stuck in

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these camps of if there's a ghost

479
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involved there's no alien involved what

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are your thoughts on the either non

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connections or connections between all

482
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these phenomena I'm completely in the

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Keele camp where everything is

484
00:22:07,500 --> 00:22:05,530
interconnected I mean I think most of

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the phenomena is completely related to

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our consciousness and what we are

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calling to the forefront you know if I'm

488
00:22:17,750 --> 00:22:15,130
going on an investigation I've I have

489
00:22:20,010 --> 00:22:17,760
evidence on my site that we are actually

490
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sometimes we're recording people who are

491
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alive and their consciousness is coming

492
00:22:27,180 --> 00:22:24,610
through our devices okay and they're not

493
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present in the room I mean this is

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indisputable audio I've ran it through

495
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spectrograms where you can compare that

496
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evey the EQ the frequency is between the

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two and they match Wow

498
00:22:39,870 --> 00:22:38,230
it's it's absolutely insane but when you

499
00:22:43,230 --> 00:22:39,880
look at that and you're like well I'm

500
00:22:45,870 --> 00:22:43,240
out here doing a UFO investigation if I

501
00:22:49,530 --> 00:22:45,880
know consciousness from a living person

502
00:22:52,890 --> 00:22:49,540
can somehow translate itself into a

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00:22:55,049 --> 00:22:52,900
device how do I know that when I'm out

504
00:22:57,390 --> 00:22:55,059
on a UFO investigation my consciousness

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isn't creating the results of the

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00:23:03,370 --> 00:22:58,880
investigation here

507
00:23:06,580 --> 00:23:03,380
we don't yeah I mean we apply ourselves

508
00:23:09,450 --> 00:23:06,590
and you never know you can also throw a

509
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:09,460
retrocausality into it where you know

510
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:12,530
ten years from now we could be sitting

511
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down talking and our conversation ten

512
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:17,570
years from now could be informing what

513
00:23:22,780 --> 00:23:19,610
we're saying right now right

514
00:23:26,110 --> 00:23:22,790
I mean retrocausality is possible in

515
00:23:28,810 --> 00:23:26,120
physics yeah it's there's so much out

516
00:23:31,510 --> 00:23:28,820
there that we don't know and to just

517
00:23:33,850 --> 00:23:31,520
simply limit yourself to nuts and bolts

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00:23:37,120 --> 00:23:33,860
is to do yourself and the field and a

519
00:23:40,330 --> 00:23:37,130
disservice yeah I I'm so happy to hear

520
00:23:43,690 --> 00:23:40,340
you say that as as a younger UFO

521
00:23:47,230 --> 00:23:43,700
researcher coming into a field of let's

522
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be honest in old guard or gatekeepers as

523
00:23:53,380 --> 00:23:50,810
it were it's tough when you want to

524
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scream I want to talk to this guy who's

525
00:23:57,730 --> 00:23:55,340
looking at the paranormal and see what

526
00:23:59,320 --> 00:23:57,740
he has to say about it they say oh no no

527
00:24:02,040 --> 00:23:59,330
we don't talk to them we don't talk to

528
00:24:04,390 --> 00:24:02,050
them so I think bridging that gap and

529
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:04,400
having someone like yourself bring an

530
00:24:11,410 --> 00:24:08,210
entire new set of standards to the UFO

531
00:24:14,050 --> 00:24:11,420
field is not only cool but it's

532
00:24:15,580 --> 00:24:14,060
essential so I have to thank you for

533
00:24:17,740 --> 00:24:15,590
that can you give us your website the

534
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:17,750
more time yeah I've got two sites one

535
00:24:24,550 --> 00:24:20,890
dedicated strictly to ITC it's called

536
00:24:28,270 --> 00:24:24,560
ITC voices org and I've got one that is

537
00:24:30,700 --> 00:24:28,280
more expansive that covers every facet

538
00:24:32,970 --> 00:24:30,710
of the paranormal including ufology you

539
00:24:35,830 --> 00:24:32,980
can see I've switched it up there yeah

540
00:24:38,530 --> 00:24:35,840
and that's called a paranormal study

541
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:38,540
comm okay awesome and do you have

542
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:40,090
anything else coming up any

543
00:24:44,740 --> 00:24:41,930
investigations or anything you're

544
00:24:47,290 --> 00:24:44,750
working on oh I have some fun stuff

545
00:24:50,170 --> 00:24:47,300
coming up I can't release it right now

546
00:24:53,020 --> 00:24:50,180
but yeah there's some really cool stuff

547
00:24:55,570 --> 00:24:53,030
for me in the future happy to do that

548
00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:55,580
and a bunch of cons coming up so yeah

549
00:24:58,780 --> 00:24:57,170
google my name see if I'm coming to an

550
00:25:00,370 --> 00:24:58,790
area near you awesome and in the

551
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:00,380
meantime we're just gonna keep drinking

552
00:25:05,620 --> 00:25:03,010
your amazing beer Cheers cheers brother

553
00:25:06,580 --> 00:25:05,630
damn that's good well you got to try

554
00:25:12,039 --> 00:25:06,590
this one

555
00:25:14,619 --> 00:25:12,049
I am with Eric majakowski right now and

556
00:25:16,330 --> 00:25:14,629
we met for the first time today man I

557
00:25:17,980 --> 00:25:16,340
met so many people for the very first

558
00:25:19,749 --> 00:25:17,990
time here in Michigan that have been

559
00:25:21,639 --> 00:25:19,759
waiting to meet forever and you're one

560
00:25:23,379 --> 00:25:21,649
of those people thank you yeah we've had

561
00:25:25,690 --> 00:25:23,389
some conversations on Twitter and

562
00:25:26,860 --> 00:25:25,700
Facebook and so forth and I knew you

563
00:25:28,060 --> 00:25:26,870
were gonna be here and I was gonna be

564
00:25:30,999 --> 00:25:28,070
here in our tables are right across from

565
00:25:33,100 --> 00:25:31,009
you I know isn't it crazy you you follow

566
00:25:34,869 --> 00:25:33,110
people on social networks you listen to

567
00:25:36,850 --> 00:25:34,879
all this podcast and then when you

568
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:36,860
actually meet in person it's almost

569
00:25:40,180 --> 00:25:38,690
surreal it's like oh my god I've been

570
00:25:41,350 --> 00:25:40,190
listening to this person or watching

571
00:25:42,730 --> 00:25:41,360
them for so long right I've been

572
00:25:46,060 --> 00:25:42,740
listening to somewhere in this guy's

573
00:25:47,409 --> 00:25:46,070
podcast and I listen to your most recent

574
00:25:49,299 --> 00:25:47,419
one about the UFO Congress I know you

575
00:25:51,070 --> 00:25:49,309
couldn't be there but you had your

576
00:25:53,289 --> 00:25:51,080
soldiers out on the Abdo during the

577
00:25:54,909 --> 00:25:53,299
interviews and so forth and yeah so I'm

578
00:25:58,629 --> 00:25:54,919
very familiar with your work awesome

579
00:25:59,950 --> 00:25:58,639
No are you a Michigan yes yes I live in

580
00:26:02,009 --> 00:25:59,960
Livonia which is a suburb of Detroit

581
00:26:04,570 --> 00:26:02,019
okay and I've lived in the area

582
00:26:06,519 --> 00:26:04,580
southeast Michigan my whole life okay go

583
00:26:08,830 --> 00:26:06,529
and the reason I wanted to talk to you

584
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:08,840
today is about your book but before we

585
00:26:12,759 --> 00:26:10,730
get to that yeah how did you get

586
00:26:15,159 --> 00:26:12,769
involved in the UFO thing do you have

587
00:26:17,799 --> 00:26:15,169
like a an origin story like a lot of us

588
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:17,809
do um mainly my father of a grandfather

589
00:26:21,789 --> 00:26:19,850
they would they would talk about these

590
00:26:23,259 --> 00:26:21,799
things and in search of was a good big

591
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:23,269
back in the 70s and he would watch that

592
00:26:29,859 --> 00:26:26,090
and so there's Bigfoot and UFOs and my

593
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:29,869
interest in UFOs got started with when I

594
00:26:35,710 --> 00:26:31,730
got interested in ancient Egypt when I

595
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:35,720
was in college and a friend of mine says

596
00:26:40,690 --> 00:26:37,129
well you know there's pyramids on Mars

597
00:26:42,820 --> 00:26:40,700
right and that started it I got Richard

598
00:26:44,350 --> 00:26:42,830
Hoagland monuments of Mars I read that

599
00:26:47,139 --> 00:26:44,360
and that leads into Chariots of the Gods

600
00:26:48,519 --> 00:26:47,149
and then to zecharia sitchin and now I'm

601
00:26:50,169 --> 00:26:48,529
interested in the ancient astronaut

602
00:26:52,269 --> 00:26:50,179
theory which today everyone only knows

603
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:52,279
his ancient alien right of course but I

604
00:26:55,810 --> 00:26:53,690
still go with ancient astronaut theory

605
00:26:57,639 --> 00:26:55,820
okay yeah well see and that's the thing

606
00:26:59,940 --> 00:26:57,649
right this stuff has been going on long

607
00:27:04,070 --> 00:26:59,950
before the TV show right you mentioned

608
00:27:06,500 --> 00:27:04,080
Daniken and Stitch anything yep

609
00:27:08,540 --> 00:27:06,510
so what do you make of the whole ancient

610
00:27:10,430 --> 00:27:08,550
that sugar theory I got asked a lot of

611
00:27:12,500 --> 00:27:10,440
people don't don't put a lot of stock

612
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:12,510
into it you know yeah when they're

613
00:27:17,180 --> 00:27:14,730
saying aliens but the pyramids we know

614
00:27:19,540 --> 00:27:17,190
oh well it was probably human beings or

615
00:27:23,360 --> 00:27:19,550
I did it what do you make of that oil

616
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:23,370
complexity of did aliens build beasts

617
00:27:27,380 --> 00:27:25,770
you know the monuments of yeah no I

618
00:27:29,780 --> 00:27:27,390
don't think that they did

619
00:27:31,820 --> 00:27:29,790
okay I'm fairly there was a guy that I

620
00:27:33,830 --> 00:27:31,830
worked with and he was an anthropologist

621
00:27:34,550 --> 00:27:33,840
and he was Mesoamerican actually Mayan

622
00:27:37,810 --> 00:27:34,560
and so forth

623
00:27:40,070 --> 00:27:37,820
Aztec I think was his specialty and he

624
00:27:41,420 --> 00:27:40,080
wasn't working at the time so he worked

625
00:27:44,870 --> 00:27:41,430
in the bookstore with me in the early

626
00:27:46,580 --> 00:27:44,880
90s and he was bit irritated that I was

627
00:27:48,260 --> 00:27:46,590
really entertaining the theories because

628
00:27:49,970 --> 00:27:48,270
his specialty I was almost assaulting

629
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:49,980
the specialty you know with this stuff

630
00:27:53,150 --> 00:27:51,810
and he said he encouraged me Eric just

631
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:53,160
keep reading just keep reading and he

632
00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:55,530
recommended books more books to read and

633
00:27:59,240 --> 00:27:57,570
the more that I the more than I read

634
00:28:01,640 --> 00:27:59,250
about ancient history and the more I

635
00:28:04,010 --> 00:28:01,650
realized Sitchin was wrong and von

636
00:28:05,300 --> 00:28:04,020
Daniken was wrong and my actual first

637
00:28:07,310 --> 00:28:05,310
article that I ever got published

638
00:28:09,770 --> 00:28:07,320
regarding this was with Michael Shermer

639
00:28:13,130 --> 00:28:09,780
skeptic magazine where I took apart

640
00:28:15,950 --> 00:28:13,140
stitches theory and that was about 20

641
00:28:17,300 --> 00:28:15,960
years ago 1998 okay actually and ever

642
00:28:22,580 --> 00:28:17,310
since then I've had the bug to write

643
00:28:24,830 --> 00:28:22,590
about it that's awesome and I mean the

644
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:24,840
fact that one of your first articles on

645
00:28:30,470 --> 00:28:27,450
UFAs and/or ancient alien theory isn't a

646
00:28:32,510 --> 00:28:30,480
skeptic magazine yeah yeah my last copy

647
00:28:34,070 --> 00:28:32,520
I had here and somebody really wanted us

648
00:28:36,620 --> 00:28:34,080
I guess yeah yeah I wonder who that

649
00:28:39,530 --> 00:28:36,630
person could be you'll be seeing photos

650
00:28:41,690 --> 00:28:39,540
of that suit guys autographed copy so

651
00:28:44,450 --> 00:28:41,700
tell us a little about your book we go

652
00:28:46,430 --> 00:28:44,460
from you know a simple article to book

653
00:28:48,590 --> 00:28:46,440
form and I know that feeling in yeah

654
00:28:50,150 --> 00:28:48,600
it's a big leap yeah I've been I've been

655
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:50,160
writing story since I was in second

656
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:52,410
grade okay yeah no and of course when

657
00:28:55,130 --> 00:28:53,970
you get the writing bug and people pat

658
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:55,140
you on the shoulder you start upgrading

659
00:28:58,280 --> 00:28:57,210
yeah the book in question you're

660
00:29:00,890 --> 00:28:58,290
referring to is called chasing

661
00:29:04,070 --> 00:29:00,900
disclosure that's my second novel that

662
00:29:05,300 --> 00:29:04,080
one was released on December 7th of 2017

663
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:05,310
and the reason why that is so

664
00:29:10,130 --> 00:29:07,290
fascinating to me is the week later

665
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:10,140
December 16th of 2017 the New York Times

666
00:29:13,430 --> 00:29:11,130
story yeah

667
00:29:13,980 --> 00:29:13,440
was Leslie Kean Blumenthal's story the

668
00:29:17,820 --> 00:29:13,990
hits and

669
00:29:21,330 --> 00:29:17,830
like what free advertising friend of

670
00:29:22,470 --> 00:29:21,340
mine goes what kind of ad ever what kind

671
00:29:29,010 --> 00:29:22,480
of money you got for advertising you've

672
00:29:30,660 --> 00:29:29,020
got the Pentagon you pay your tax owner

673
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:30,670
I'm actually at a water park with my

674
00:29:33,630 --> 00:29:32,290
kids in the hotel winding down the

675
00:29:39,180 --> 00:29:33,640
evening and I'm seeing the story I'm

676
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:39,190
like well look at that that Street him

677
00:29:44,220 --> 00:29:41,890
at the most random moment yeah it was

678
00:29:45,990 --> 00:29:44,230
dropped into our laps none of us knew it

679
00:29:48,870 --> 00:29:46,000
was coming and that's kind of how this

680
00:29:50,310 --> 00:29:48,880
whole phenomenon seems to be yeah you

681
00:29:52,590 --> 00:29:50,320
know it comes from the least expected

682
00:29:54,660 --> 00:29:52,600
it's dropped in your life and it changes

683
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:54,670
everything and no matter what people

684
00:29:59,850 --> 00:29:57,250
think about to the Stars Academy or the

685
00:30:02,100 --> 00:29:59,860
eight head program and what they did it

686
00:30:05,460 --> 00:30:02,110
has changed the UFO conversation moving

687
00:30:06,930 --> 00:30:05,470
forward from a new generation what do

688
00:30:08,820 --> 00:30:06,940
you make of that whole thing before we

689
00:30:10,500 --> 00:30:08,830
get to the the book you mean to the

690
00:30:13,940 --> 00:30:10,510
stars yeah what do you make of yeah all

691
00:30:17,690 --> 00:30:13,950
this stuff with them and it seems like

692
00:30:20,970 --> 00:30:17,700
with UFOs I'll just talk with just UFO

693
00:30:23,070 --> 00:30:20,980
disclosure is always coming like it's

694
00:30:25,290 --> 00:30:23,080
just wait just be patient I've been

695
00:30:28,110 --> 00:30:25,300
playing with this information since the

696
00:30:30,030 --> 00:30:28,120
90s it's sort of the x-files thing just

697
00:30:32,610 --> 00:30:30,040
wait the patient agent Mulder it's

698
00:30:34,650 --> 00:30:32,620
coming and right we just we're gonna

699
00:30:36,090 --> 00:30:34,660
release it early and it never comes it's

700
00:30:37,740 --> 00:30:36,100
almost like you keep dangling that

701
00:30:40,169 --> 00:30:37,750
carrot and people keep investing and

702
00:30:45,299 --> 00:30:40,179
keep buying your stuff does time the

703
00:30:49,380 --> 00:30:45,309
long have the goods show your name any

704
00:30:51,330 --> 00:30:49,390
other field of inquiry or any science or

705
00:30:54,450 --> 00:30:51,340
any like physics or astronomy if

706
00:30:56,850 --> 00:30:54,460
somebody said we discovered structure on

707
00:30:58,650 --> 00:30:56,860
the moon just wait we'll wait will show

708
00:31:02,400 --> 00:30:58,660
you when we're ready what that doesn't

709
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:02,410
make any sense we've discovered a new

710
00:31:05,970 --> 00:31:04,450
field of physics or something you know

711
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:05,980
we know how string theory absolutely

712
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:08,290
works sort of but just wait we'll reveal

713
00:31:12,990 --> 00:31:10,690
it as it no you get you let the

714
00:31:14,620 --> 00:31:13,000
universities handle the information you

715
00:31:16,450 --> 00:31:14,630
you put the information out there

716
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:16,460
you let you let experts in the field

717
00:31:20,710 --> 00:31:18,410
test it and look at it you don't keep

718
00:31:21,730 --> 00:31:20,720
their proprietary friend so I don't know

719
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:21,740
what he's doing

720
00:31:26,530 --> 00:31:24,650
yeah you know III don't I'm just I'm

721
00:31:28,990 --> 00:31:26,540
waiting yeah I'm waiting like everybody

722
00:31:31,750 --> 00:31:29,000
else like Tom just just tell us I think

723
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:31,760
that's a good word for it we're waiting

724
00:31:37,660 --> 00:31:35,930
and that's what a entertainer does you

725
00:31:40,300 --> 00:31:37,670
know well that they they want to build

726
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:40,310
that into solution and that's this whole

727
00:31:44,860 --> 00:31:42,290
atomic belong to the Stars thing a lot

728
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:44,870
of people are worried because it is an

729
00:31:49,300 --> 00:31:47,330
entertainment it's partially an

730
00:31:50,980 --> 00:31:49,310
entertainment company is releasing he's

731
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:50,990
releasing fictional books which the

732
00:31:56,110 --> 00:31:53,090
first book I've read is really good yeah

733
00:31:58,540 --> 00:31:56,120
secret machines but then he's doing this

734
00:32:01,420 --> 00:31:58,550
supposedly realistic like nonfiction

735
00:32:02,940 --> 00:32:01,430
side but I'm like I don't know we're

736
00:32:06,610 --> 00:32:02,950
like imagine of Physics Department

737
00:32:08,620 --> 00:32:06,620
releasing cartoons and making stuff up I

738
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:08,630
don't know just it's weird I'm like this

739
00:32:13,420 --> 00:32:10,730
time come on come on just show us all

740
00:32:15,370 --> 00:32:13,430
right well speaking of mixing fiction

741
00:32:16,930 --> 00:32:15,380
the truth yeah that brings us back to

742
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:16,940
you yeah thanks so tell us a little

743
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:17,810
about the book

744
00:32:22,180 --> 00:32:20,570
okay chasing disclosure is the title and

745
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:22,190
basically what I wanted to do because

746
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:24,290
UFOs have been an interest of mine and

747
00:32:28,390 --> 00:32:26,690
ancient aliens for that matter for

748
00:32:31,150 --> 00:32:28,400
decades is I wanted to contribute to

749
00:32:32,470 --> 00:32:31,160
this field but every time that I took

750
00:32:34,690 --> 00:32:32,480
notes and thought of things I felt that

751
00:32:36,790 --> 00:32:34,700
I was just returning old ground bringing

752
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:36,800
up old mastery just everything every

753
00:32:40,300 --> 00:32:38,450
time you read a new UFO book I can't

754
00:32:44,020 --> 00:32:40,310
help but feel the 80% of it I've already

755
00:32:45,940 --> 00:32:44,030
read about okay what if I just take a

756
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:45,950
fictional fictional characters create a

757
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:48,170
fictional story but add elements into it

758
00:32:51,790 --> 00:32:49,730
sort of like what James Cameron did with

759
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:51,800
the movie Titanic he takes some big

760
00:32:54,910 --> 00:32:53,450
characters but to tell their story and

761
00:32:56,710 --> 00:32:54,920
that's what I did so anybody that's

762
00:32:58,960 --> 00:32:56,720
interested in ufology the study of UFOs

763
00:33:00,730 --> 00:32:58,970
and so forth they're gonna recognize a

764
00:33:03,340 --> 00:33:00,740
lot in the book I know that story I know

765
00:33:04,870 --> 00:33:03,350
that started all that story and anybody

766
00:33:06,610 --> 00:33:04,880
who's not interested or doesn't know

767
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:06,620
much about UFOs will get an education

768
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:09,930
and some elements that we talk about

769
00:33:15,020 --> 00:33:12,690
so what I did is the gist of the story

770
00:33:18,890 --> 00:33:15,030
the summary of the story begins with the

771
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:18,900
plane crash and the only the only one

772
00:33:22,460 --> 00:33:20,490
who is currently conscious and awake

773
00:33:23,690 --> 00:33:22,470
during the entire from the time it was

774
00:33:25,910 --> 00:33:23,700
in the sky to the time it crash is a

775
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:25,920
seven year old girl and the plane comes

776
00:33:29,300 --> 00:33:27,450
down looking like it had been crushed in

777
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:29,310
the sky like a pop can that had been

778
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:32,250
squeezed and that's why the passengers

779
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:33,810
most of them go unconscious because the

780
00:33:36,650 --> 00:33:35,490
cabin loses pressure and that happens

781
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:36,660
when II way up there but for some reason

782
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:38,010
this young girl the seven-year-old was

783
00:33:40,490 --> 00:33:38,850
conscious the whole time

784
00:33:42,590 --> 00:33:40,500
other than the pilots but the pilots

785
00:33:43,820 --> 00:33:42,600
aren't talking because the company's

786
00:33:45,500 --> 00:33:43,830
like we don't talk there's gonna be a

787
00:33:48,140 --> 00:33:45,510
lawsuit so the only work so there's a

788
00:33:50,420 --> 00:33:48,150
UFO researcher he's the protagonist and

789
00:33:51,500 --> 00:33:50,430
this researcher he says I got to get to

790
00:33:52,940 --> 00:33:51,510
this girl find out what happened in the

791
00:33:54,950 --> 00:33:52,950
sky did something but did something

792
00:33:56,570 --> 00:33:54,960
squeeze this plane when it was up there

793
00:33:59,600 --> 00:33:56,580
did it get attacked and let got what

794
00:34:01,460 --> 00:33:59,610
happened and so he investigates he ends

795
00:34:04,610 --> 00:34:01,470
up getting in touch with the sparrow

796
00:34:06,530 --> 00:34:04,620
interviewing this girl and parallel with

797
00:34:08,659 --> 00:34:06,540
the story is him doing an investigation

798
00:34:11,030 --> 00:34:08,669
about the UFO phenomenon and discovering

799
00:34:12,889 --> 00:34:11,040
some things he was a soldier in Iraq he

800
00:34:16,310 --> 00:34:12,899
was exposed to some things in the desert

801
00:34:18,230 --> 00:34:16,320
and so you get his history at the same

802
00:34:19,669 --> 00:34:18,240
time discussing this young girl and at

803
00:34:21,830 --> 00:34:19,679
the end I weave together this story

804
00:34:24,260 --> 00:34:21,840
about what he thinks is happening and

805
00:34:27,380 --> 00:34:24,270
it's all somehow connected and it's all

806
00:34:29,919 --> 00:34:27,390
connected yeah synchronicity is we find

807
00:34:32,240 --> 00:34:29,929
within these fields is phenomena are

808
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:32,250
extremely telling I think of what

809
00:34:38,810 --> 00:34:34,290
whatever may lay at the source of the

810
00:34:42,260 --> 00:34:38,820
UFO right or just the information that

811
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:42,270
people hold when it comes to you yeah

812
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:44,010
you know there's a very trickster

813
00:34:48,169 --> 00:34:44,970
element at work

814
00:34:50,630 --> 00:34:48,179
oh yes that's what keeps me on my toes

815
00:34:52,940 --> 00:34:50,640
is knowing that we may never know the

816
00:34:55,730 --> 00:34:52,950
answers maybe your characters will maybe

817
00:34:58,270 --> 00:34:55,740
they won't in the book maybe you and I

818
00:34:59,920 --> 00:34:58,280
will never know what the hell you

819
00:35:03,160 --> 00:34:59,930
I mean just coming to events this

820
00:35:05,140 --> 00:35:03,170
meeting people talking that's that's

821
00:35:07,210 --> 00:35:05,150
reward enough like I was discussing

822
00:35:09,610 --> 00:35:07,220
earlier some people go to Star Trek

823
00:35:12,910 --> 00:35:09,620
conventions not one of them believes

824
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:12,920
that Klingons exist that there's a

825
00:35:17,020 --> 00:35:15,290
federation and so forth but they dress

826
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:17,030
up and they play the part and they enjoy

827
00:35:21,730 --> 00:35:19,130
themselves and they have fun so even if

828
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:21,740
there's nothing to this I've met a lot

829
00:35:25,300 --> 00:35:23,450
of great people yeah and we can talk

830
00:35:26,500 --> 00:35:25,310
about things I can't talk about outside

831
00:35:28,180 --> 00:35:26,510
of this because nobody knows I'm talking

832
00:35:30,220 --> 00:35:28,190
about because they're not into it right

833
00:35:31,750 --> 00:35:30,230
I don't like sports very much I don't

834
00:35:33,700 --> 00:35:31,760
know much about football I can't talk

835
00:35:36,820 --> 00:35:33,710
about football yeah that's okay most of

836
00:35:39,070 --> 00:35:36,830
you can't talk about you I have been

837
00:35:40,660 --> 00:35:39,080
there man trying to have a beer know at

838
00:35:43,510 --> 00:35:40,670
the bar with my dad and he's telling me

839
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:43,520
the stats I don't know what the hell

840
00:35:45,790 --> 00:35:44,690
he's talking about

841
00:35:48,190 --> 00:35:45,800
but I could tell him about what happened

842
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:48,200
in Roswell next exactly and I can give

843
00:35:52,300 --> 00:35:49,850
you some dates and times and who started

844
00:35:53,710 --> 00:35:52,310
it yeah you know that's what we do right

845
00:35:55,330 --> 00:35:53,720
I actually think that when you were

846
00:35:56,860 --> 00:35:55,340
talking about getting to the bottom of

847
00:35:58,390 --> 00:35:56,870
all this is there even about them to get

848
00:36:00,580 --> 00:35:58,400
to look maybe there is no actual

849
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:00,590
phenomenon roll maybe it's just a

850
00:36:03,730 --> 00:36:02,210
collection of things that we've stitched

851
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:03,740
together that really doesn't belong

852
00:36:08,350 --> 00:36:06,170
together you know like like for instance

853
00:36:10,030 --> 00:36:08,360
let's say there's a triangle out there

854
00:36:11,140 --> 00:36:10,040
or the saucer out there or there's

855
00:36:12,460 --> 00:36:11,150
something in the water that takes off

856
00:36:13,870 --> 00:36:12,470
we'll go to the sky who's just saying

857
00:36:16,270 --> 00:36:13,880
that all three of those things aren't

858
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:16,280
completely separate ones military ones

859
00:36:21,540 --> 00:36:18,770
this but ones that make a complete hoax

860
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:21,550
you know maybe there's no fun oh yeah

861
00:36:32,230 --> 00:36:24,890
but I'm still I'm still kind of a big

862
00:36:33,580 --> 00:36:32,240
believer to Philip Glass's curse what do

863
00:36:33,790 --> 00:36:33,590
you like in it whether you like them or

864
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:33,800
not

865
00:36:37,900 --> 00:36:35,570
Phil class basically the curse of Phil

866
00:36:39,310 --> 00:36:37,910
class was no matter how much time you

867
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:39,320
spend on the subject you're never gonna

868
00:36:45,580 --> 00:36:40,850
know more about UFOs than you know right

869
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:45,590
now and Wow yeah I could actually agree

870
00:36:49,720 --> 00:36:47,690
with him that's right yeah I would say

871
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:49,730
that right and it's been decades it's

872
00:36:55,030 --> 00:36:51,650
been over 70 years since the modern UFO

873
00:36:55,950 --> 00:36:55,040
phenomenon which started in 47 and I can

874
00:36:58,080 --> 00:36:55,960
tell you that

875
00:37:00,240 --> 00:36:58,090
when I read cases in the 50s and 60s

876
00:37:02,340 --> 00:37:00,250
they don't seem much different than the

877
00:37:06,390 --> 00:37:02,350
cases that I read today and yet nobody

878
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:06,400
seems so I'm in the game because it Wow

879
00:37:12,720 --> 00:37:09,370
why not this is my sport and this

880
00:37:14,070 --> 00:37:12,730
conference is my Super Bowl there's no

881
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:14,080
better way to end it and I think you're

882
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:15,850
gonna be very Victoria it's just thank

883
00:37:22,230 --> 00:37:17,770
you so much thanks for having me thank

884
00:37:27,930 --> 00:37:25,170
an old wine cabinet said to be possessed

885
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:27,940
by a demon which invokes nightmares and

886
00:37:34,650 --> 00:37:32,170
physical harm an island full of Giant

887
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:34,660
rabbits said to appear once every seven

888
00:37:40,980 --> 00:37:38,410
years off the coast of Ireland a rural

889
00:37:44,730 --> 00:37:40,990
family that in the dead of winter walked

890
00:37:47,820 --> 00:37:44,740
one by one into their barn but never

891
00:37:50,310 --> 00:37:47,830
walked out the world is full of

892
00:37:52,500 --> 00:37:50,320
fascinating mysteries and the blurry

893
00:37:55,950 --> 00:37:52,510
photos podcasts sheds light on the

894
00:37:58,470 --> 00:37:55,960
darkest corners of the unknown with a

895
00:38:00,750 --> 00:37:58,480
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896
00:38:03,150 --> 00:38:00,760
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897
00:38:05,940 --> 00:38:03,160
examines if there's any fact behind the

898
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:05,950
supposed fictions join me

899
00:38:11,670 --> 00:38:08,890
David flora as I explore the unexplained

900
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:11,680
and explain the unexplored on the blurry

901
00:38:23,100 --> 00:38:21,450
photos podcast I am with a fellow

902
00:38:25,530 --> 00:38:23,110
Syracusian here

903
00:38:27,510 --> 00:38:25,540
Cheryl Costa Cheryl how's it going Ott's

904
00:38:28,020 --> 00:38:27,520
terrific we're on a blast here we really

905
00:38:30,599 --> 00:38:28,030
are

906
00:38:32,609 --> 00:38:30,609
oh yeah and into two of us Syracuse you

907
00:38:34,230 --> 00:38:32,619
hear talk about Double Trouble I know

908
00:38:37,380 --> 00:38:34,240
they put us together at the table too

909
00:38:39,540 --> 00:38:37,390
it's trouble made in you Falacci Co

910
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:39,550
heaven yeah and we're also gonna be

911
00:38:43,890 --> 00:38:41,530
speaking back to back is well today at

912
00:38:46,830 --> 00:38:43,900
this we are we are I would love to know

913
00:38:48,300 --> 00:38:46,840
since the book has come out since all

914
00:38:50,790 --> 00:38:48,310
the press that you've gotten the about

915
00:38:52,609 --> 00:38:50,800
and this stuff that you've done what are

916
00:38:58,260 --> 00:38:52,619
you gonna be presenting you for us today

917
00:39:01,620 --> 00:38:58,270
well okay I redid my slides for the UFO

918
00:39:03,359 --> 00:39:01,630
symposium okay back in July okay I've

919
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:03,369
been talking someplace about every two

920
00:39:07,410 --> 00:39:05,170
weeks since the beginning of the year

921
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:07,420
okay and the sides were getting a little

922
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:10,930
stale so I wanted to do some up and I

923
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:13,690
had literally had I made those slides

924
00:39:19,530 --> 00:39:17,410
for symposium and then I had the month

925
00:39:23,070 --> 00:39:19,540
of August

926
00:39:24,900 --> 00:39:23,080
and and and with that month off knowing

927
00:39:26,370 --> 00:39:24,910
I have two more presentations for the

928
00:39:29,340 --> 00:39:26,380
year this and the Greater New England

929
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:29,350
conference I decided to go in with some

930
00:39:36,810 --> 00:39:34,570
of my more recent research and I goose I

931
00:39:39,720 --> 00:39:36,820
tighten it up boost it up with some some

932
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:39,730
numbers and a poll came out recently

933
00:39:44,850 --> 00:39:42,610
actually about two weeks ago and a

934
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:44,860
particular metric that was in that

935
00:39:49,740 --> 00:39:47,770
Gallup poll was what I was looking for

936
00:39:52,260 --> 00:39:49,750
to confirm another metric another

937
00:39:55,710 --> 00:39:52,270
another poll that a couple of years ago

938
00:39:57,660 --> 00:39:55,720
and I you ended up using that metric to

939
00:39:59,460 --> 00:39:57,670
generate some other numbers and I've got

940
00:40:03,690 --> 00:39:59,470
some numbers and no one has ever seen

941
00:40:06,210 --> 00:40:03,700
before and it's going to confirm how

942
00:40:09,210 --> 00:40:06,220
much stuff people are seeing in the

943
00:40:10,590 --> 00:40:09,220
United States and not the reported stuff

944
00:40:14,370 --> 00:40:10,600
but the amount of stuff that's being

945
00:40:16,530 --> 00:40:14,380
seen but not reported that's a really

946
00:40:18,390 --> 00:40:16,540
good point we always share all these all

947
00:40:21,300 --> 00:40:18,400
these things about you know hundreds of

948
00:40:25,170 --> 00:40:21,310
people have seen UFOs in a given day

949
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:25,180
even yet maybe one of them reports and

950
00:40:30,240 --> 00:40:27,850
say how do you go with that struggle of

951
00:40:33,030 --> 00:40:30,250
knowing that your statistics stand for

952
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:33,040
one thing but then there's hundreds of

953
00:40:36,990 --> 00:40:34,570
other people who aren't even talking

954
00:40:41,550 --> 00:40:37,000
about what they've seen well I've got

955
00:40:45,230 --> 00:40:41,560
but what I looked at was the UFO

956
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:45,240
community wisdom had been one in ten

957
00:40:50,339 --> 00:40:48,610
well if you take the 320 million people

958
00:40:53,710 --> 00:40:50,349
in the United

959
00:40:55,210 --> 00:40:53,720
76% is adults so let's see it let's just

960
00:40:57,880 --> 00:40:55,220
some adults are the only ones making up

961
00:40:59,349 --> 00:40:57,890
reports okay and and from me crawling

962
00:41:01,059 --> 00:40:59,359
through the databases over the years

963
00:41:04,870 --> 00:41:01,069
writing my newspaper column its adult

964
00:41:06,510 --> 00:41:04,880
all right so that's 254 million people

965
00:41:09,309 --> 00:41:06,520
and change--

966
00:41:12,910 --> 00:41:09,319
so if one in ten reports what they see

967
00:41:14,740 --> 00:41:12,920
why do we have 20 5.4 million reports no

968
00:41:18,099 --> 00:41:14,750
we have a hundred and forty-seven

969
00:41:22,750 --> 00:41:18,109
thousand reports okay actually 148

970
00:41:24,130 --> 00:41:22,760
thousand and so I said okay a couple of

971
00:41:25,690 --> 00:41:24,140
people a couple of people kept nerds

972
00:41:27,700 --> 00:41:25,700
came back to me and well sure we'll look

973
00:41:31,180 --> 00:41:27,710
steal their way you know this is what is

974
00:41:35,020 --> 00:41:31,190
it said one in ten sees them and one in

975
00:41:37,599 --> 00:41:35,030
ten reports them so using that same

976
00:41:40,210 --> 00:41:37,609
extrapolation does that mean we have 2.5

977
00:41:41,530 --> 00:41:40,220
4 million reports no we have one hundred

978
00:41:44,770 --> 00:41:41,540
and forty six hundred forty seven

979
00:41:46,500 --> 00:41:44,780
thousand sightings okay so I said

980
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:46,510
there's got to be something else

981
00:41:53,349 --> 00:41:48,890
thank you so I looked at a particular

982
00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:53,359
poll a Fox News poll Fox picture home

983
00:42:00,190 --> 00:41:57,410
entertainment in July of 2017 they were

984
00:42:02,170 --> 00:42:00,200
promoting that that movie they did about

985
00:42:05,020 --> 00:42:02,180
the abduction movie they did about the

986
00:42:09,220 --> 00:42:05,030
Phoenix lights oh yeah they did a

987
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:09,230
national poll and during the national

988
00:42:13,900 --> 00:42:11,210
poll one of the things they came out

989
00:42:16,240 --> 00:42:13,910
with a number of they said fifty of the

990
00:42:19,270 --> 00:42:16,250
sixteen point seven four percent of

991
00:42:22,260 --> 00:42:19,280
Americans say they've seen a UFO all

992
00:42:26,049 --> 00:42:22,270
right now yeah we could go back 70 years

993
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:26,059
but the bulk of the sightings have been

994
00:42:31,299 --> 00:42:28,490
in the past 30 years and I've measured

995
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:31,309
apparently approximately the last twenty

996
00:42:41,319 --> 00:42:36,530
okay and I can tell you before 2001 the

997
00:42:44,890 --> 00:42:41,329
numbers going back to like 1989 probably

998
00:42:46,420 --> 00:42:44,900
total less than about 3000 or 4000 there

999
00:42:48,609 --> 00:42:46,430
were people didn't really start

1000
00:42:51,010 --> 00:42:48,619
reporting things until broadband was

1001
00:42:52,540 --> 00:42:51,020
freely available

1002
00:42:55,540 --> 00:42:52,550
that boosts the national UFO Reporting

1003
00:42:58,660 --> 00:42:55,550
Center MUFON wasn't known about by most

1004
00:43:02,860 --> 00:42:58,670
people and their numbers were tiny until

1005
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:02,870
about 2007 a Discovery Channel thing did

1006
00:43:06,940 --> 00:43:05,210
a thing on them and suddenly now people

1007
00:43:10,510 --> 00:43:06,950
knew where to report so a function of

1008
00:43:12,340 --> 00:43:10,520
reporting UFOs one having broadband an

1009
00:43:15,340 --> 00:43:12,350
easy way to report them use much before

1010
00:43:18,370 --> 00:43:15,350
in that early 1990s everything was sent

1011
00:43:21,250 --> 00:43:18,380
to one of these collecting agencies by a

1012
00:43:23,380 --> 00:43:21,260
fax or an email or a voicemail and

1013
00:43:25,150 --> 00:43:23,390
somebody's answering machine and it

1014
00:43:27,790 --> 00:43:25,160
started to tick up a little bit in the

1015
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:27,800
late 80s and early 90s because people

1016
00:43:31,630 --> 00:43:29,930
were certainly getting on CompuServe and

1017
00:43:34,180 --> 00:43:31,640
America Online things like that at

1018
00:43:36,550 --> 00:43:34,190
sports yeah and it started to tick up a

1019
00:43:40,210 --> 00:43:36,560
little bit but the the real junk and I

1020
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:40,220
compared it early on with industry

1021
00:43:44,050 --> 00:43:42,530
documentation about how broadband was

1022
00:43:45,970 --> 00:43:44,060
coming up when as it was coming up

1023
00:43:48,670 --> 00:43:45,980
people getting off on dial-up and all

1024
00:43:51,820 --> 00:43:48,680
this kind of thing for the most part

1025
00:43:54,700 --> 00:43:51,830
most of it happened in the nineteen

1026
00:43:57,700 --> 00:43:54,710
ninety five to about 2000 and from about

1027
00:44:00,280 --> 00:43:57,710
2005 to about 2008 the rest of it sort

1028
00:44:02,260 --> 00:44:00,290
of the more rural area started getting

1029
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:02,270
the cable broadband and things like this

1030
00:44:06,490 --> 00:44:04,010
but your major cities you see it in the

1031
00:44:09,010 --> 00:44:06,500
early 2000s so this is what we were

1032
00:44:10,690 --> 00:44:09,020
dealing with so a function of know you

1033
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:10,700
got to know you got to have the ability

1034
00:44:14,500 --> 00:44:12,530
to report it and you got to know who to

1035
00:44:16,210 --> 00:44:14,510
report it to now we do have a lot of

1036
00:44:18,430 --> 00:44:16,220
people who just don't even know about

1037
00:44:20,710 --> 00:44:18,440
MUFON don't know about new Fork and they

1038
00:44:22,930 --> 00:44:20,720
report them on you and on Facebook to

1039
00:44:25,780 --> 00:44:22,940
their friends so we're missing those

1040
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:25,790
reports but

1041
00:44:33,190 --> 00:44:29,930
it's small change okay okay so what

1042
00:44:36,970 --> 00:44:33,200
happens is this fox came back with this

1043
00:44:39,910 --> 00:44:36,980
headless number of 16 percent okay over

1044
00:44:44,530 --> 00:44:39,920
16 percent two weeks ago in the middle

1045
00:44:47,890 --> 00:44:44,540
of September in 2019 Gallup poll

1046
00:44:49,780 --> 00:44:47,900
announced that you are hopeful and when

1047
00:44:51,730 --> 00:44:49,790
they came back with the same 36 percent

1048
00:44:53,020 --> 00:44:51,740
are believers 80 percent does it doesn't

1049
00:44:54,910 --> 00:44:53,030
believe that the government is telling

1050
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:54,920
us what it knows you know all this and

1051
00:44:59,050 --> 00:44:57,050
then they also came back and said 16

1052
00:45:03,370 --> 00:44:59,060
percent of Americans

1053
00:45:06,340 --> 00:45:03,380
I've seen a UFO so at that point I felt

1054
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:06,350
comfortable to use that number as a

1055
00:45:16,090 --> 00:45:11,690
constant and crank my numbers and the

1056
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:16,100
sightings I take about 30 percent I do

1057
00:45:20,350 --> 00:45:18,290
about 70 percent off the top okay

1058
00:45:22,180 --> 00:45:20,360
everybody comes with Auto Cheryl is

1059
00:45:24,610 --> 00:45:22,190
misidentified Xand there's there's

1060
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:24,620
there's hoaxes there's this there's that

1061
00:45:29,380 --> 00:45:27,290
and a lot of our peers are grudgingly

1062
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:29,390
willing to take five or ten percent off

1063
00:45:34,690 --> 00:45:32,090
the top of the big numbers I went for

1064
00:45:39,460 --> 00:45:34,700
them I went for the gusto because dr.

1065
00:45:40,780 --> 00:45:39,470
jacques de l'Est said 80% is noise Linda

1066
00:45:43,630 --> 00:45:40,790
and I approached it from a different

1067
00:45:46,780 --> 00:45:43,640
approach we said the exotic non

1068
00:45:49,210 --> 00:45:46,790
aerodynamic shapes are the truth and and

1069
00:45:52,540 --> 00:45:49,220
the truth was also what we found by deep

1070
00:45:55,780 --> 00:45:52,550
diving that the big data was that the

1071
00:45:59,150 --> 00:45:55,790
tiny numbers are the truth so we took

1072
00:46:03,560 --> 00:45:59,160
seventy percent right off the top okay

1073
00:46:05,860 --> 00:46:03,570
and that left us with 44,000 okay now

1074
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:05,870
you divide that by 18 and you get about

1075
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:09,450
2,500 a year 24 and change okay 2,400

1076
00:46:16,730 --> 00:46:11,850
and change divide it by 12 do you get

1077
00:46:18,050 --> 00:46:16,740
about 205 and then actually it's a

1078
00:46:19,700 --> 00:46:18,060
little bit bigger than that and then you

1079
00:46:22,610 --> 00:46:19,710
divide that next number I don't have off

1080
00:46:25,070 --> 00:46:22,620
the top of my head and it by 50 states

1081
00:46:27,500 --> 00:46:25,080
51 states actually do you come from

1082
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:27,510
district and you come back with a number

1083
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:35,450
that says every single state had for

1084
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:38,850
exotic sightings a month for the past 18

1085
00:46:45,340 --> 00:46:42,930
years or one exotic event a week for the

1086
00:46:49,930 --> 00:46:45,350
last 18 years

1087
00:46:54,980 --> 00:46:49,940
that is that is 900 week over 900 weeks

1088
00:46:57,590 --> 00:46:54,990
okay there's the tiny numbers okay the

1089
00:47:00,560 --> 00:46:57,600
truth is in the number yeah and and what

1090
00:47:03,110 --> 00:47:00,570
we did with this new 16 percent we did a

1091
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:03,120
completely different formula instead of

1092
00:47:07,700 --> 00:47:04,890
taking sightings and trying to bounce it

1093
00:47:13,100 --> 00:47:07,710
back against population we took a raw

1094
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:13,110
population 42 million 700 took 70

1095
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:14,970
percent off the top came back with about

1096
00:47:23,990 --> 00:47:17,490
12 million and then we crank the same

1097
00:47:26,870 --> 00:47:24,000
thing 18 years by 12 months by 50 states

1098
00:47:28,970 --> 00:47:26,880
and we came back with instead of one

1099
00:47:32,210 --> 00:47:28,980
site exotic sighting a week they came

1100
00:47:35,690 --> 00:47:32,220
back with one point zero eight sightings

1101
00:47:37,850 --> 00:47:35,700
per week it confirmed it and was a

1102
00:47:39,830 --> 00:47:37,860
completely different set of numbers but

1103
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:39,840
the constants were the key to it it was

1104
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:40,450
there

1105
00:47:47,490 --> 00:47:45,610
to those numbers earlier this week

1106
00:47:49,020 --> 00:47:47,500
amazingly enough I showed her the

1107
00:47:50,730 --> 00:47:49,030
numbers she sat down in the dining room

1108
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:50,740
table with a calculator and set Darrin

1109
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:52,210
crunch to the shelves and she came back

1110
00:48:01,140 --> 00:47:56,410
says my god we confirmed it and it also

1111
00:48:02,790 --> 00:48:01,150
confirmed the other constant was it

1112
00:48:04,950 --> 00:48:02,800
varies from state to state based on

1113
00:48:06,720 --> 00:48:04,960
population the actual sightings what the

1114
00:48:09,420 --> 00:48:06,730
ratio is it's as little of how many

1115
00:48:13,230 --> 00:48:09,430
people report them right okay it's as

1116
00:48:18,090 --> 00:48:13,240
low as one in the 1:1 hunt one in 152

1117
00:48:21,690 --> 00:48:18,100
one in 475 but the bulk of it is 1 and

1118
00:48:24,090 --> 00:48:21,700
somewhere in the 200s if you just take

1119
00:48:26,010 --> 00:48:24,100
the National population of the adult

1120
00:48:29,010 --> 00:48:26,020
population in the United States it

1121
00:48:32,990 --> 00:48:29,020
translates down to 1 and 290 and I

1122
00:48:38,220 --> 00:48:33,000
published that on rogue planet right ok

1123
00:48:41,010 --> 00:48:38,230
yes exclusively then but then when I saw

1124
00:48:43,620 --> 00:48:41,020
this another 16% number I went back in

1125
00:48:45,690 --> 00:48:43,630
and crank the sightings against the

1126
00:48:48,330 --> 00:48:45,700
adult population plotting from census of

1127
00:48:50,190 --> 00:48:48,340
every single state in the Union and then

1128
00:48:52,110 --> 00:48:50,200
ran the numbers back against that and I

1129
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:52,120
came back with a ratio it I guess had a

1130
00:48:56,990 --> 00:48:53,770
vary widely from state your mileage

1131
00:49:00,860 --> 00:48:57,000
varies but then I added them all up and

1132
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:00,870
averaged it and it came up to 1 and 277

1133
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:04,210
reports what they see so that was the

1134
00:49:09,150 --> 00:49:06,850
other constant so we took 70 percent off

1135
00:49:11,700 --> 00:49:09,160
the top and when we went to go do the

1136
00:49:13,290 --> 00:49:11,710
the constant we put that constant in

1137
00:49:16,740 --> 00:49:13,300
there with whatever number we got just

1138
00:49:18,780 --> 00:49:16,750
before the 4 ship 4 of 4 sightings a

1139
00:49:21,510 --> 00:49:18,790
month and boom there it was that's the

1140
00:49:24,270 --> 00:49:21,520
actual what people report a for about 4

1141
00:49:26,460 --> 00:49:24,280
months and and that's what princess and

1142
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:26,470
we both set there and we poured a drink

1143
00:49:32,580 --> 00:49:29,410
yeah yeah we both sat there looking at

1144
00:49:33,750 --> 00:49:32,590
me because my gosh we confirmed it after

1145
00:49:35,730 --> 00:49:33,760
that kind of matter

1146
00:49:37,830 --> 00:49:35,740
yeah and that kind of confirmation I

1147
00:49:39,810 --> 00:49:37,840
would need at least a triple whiskey now

1148
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:39,820
when I published the one about that one

1149
00:49:43,870 --> 00:49:43,330
in 290 again it's it's it's very member

1150
00:49:46,329 --> 00:49:43,880
we're talking

1151
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:46,339
slushy numbers here okay but it's pretty

1152
00:49:52,930 --> 00:49:50,690
close when you look at it now I had a

1153
00:49:54,970 --> 00:49:52,940
lot of mail from a lot of and I would

1154
00:49:57,339 --> 00:49:54,980
say experts in the UFO community come

1155
00:49:59,349 --> 00:49:57,349
back oh but we interviewed everybody who

1156
00:50:01,660 --> 00:49:59,359
came out of someone's those dentist's

1157
00:50:03,059 --> 00:50:01,670
office for a year or they came back and

1158
00:50:05,559 --> 00:50:03,069
they say oh we interviewed everybody

1159
00:50:07,539 --> 00:50:05,569
over a phone pole we did through our

1160
00:50:10,900 --> 00:50:07,549
public television station right then I

1161
00:50:13,150 --> 00:50:10,910
came out one in ten but because what

1162
00:50:17,579 --> 00:50:13,160
they're missing they probably had a few

1163
00:50:19,900 --> 00:50:17,589
hundred people to deal with okay and

1164
00:50:21,970 --> 00:50:19,910
especially if people do this kind of a

1165
00:50:24,460 --> 00:50:21,980
poll at a UFO convention you're

1166
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:24,470
preaching to the choir yeah okay numbers

1167
00:50:33,099 --> 00:50:29,210
are gonna explain exactly so we took the

1168
00:50:35,890 --> 00:50:33,109
we took the approach event how do I want

1169
00:50:38,890 --> 00:50:35,900
to say this politely they were working

1170
00:50:41,079 --> 00:50:38,900
with small numbers and we've learned in

1171
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:41,089
the past five years working with this

1172
00:50:46,180 --> 00:50:43,490
stuff and Google's learned this and

1173
00:50:50,529 --> 00:50:46,190
Amazon's learned this the truth is in

1174
00:50:53,109 --> 00:50:50,539
big numbers because the little numbers

1175
00:50:55,499 --> 00:50:53,119
you only get a very small sample and the

1176
00:50:59,230 --> 00:50:55,509
bigger the sample the better the result

1177
00:51:02,170 --> 00:50:59,240
okay and it crunched down so we found

1178
00:51:03,490 --> 00:51:02,180
out that well I give an example when we

1179
00:51:04,749 --> 00:51:03,500
were looking people asked me when we

1180
00:51:06,309 --> 00:51:04,759
were doing the original book they said

1181
00:51:08,620 --> 00:51:06,319
what about the when I told some people

1182
00:51:10,150 --> 00:51:08,630
that seems like Saturday night seems to

1183
00:51:12,849 --> 00:51:10,160
be the nut Monday night everybody gets

1184
00:51:14,589 --> 00:51:12,859
the UFO sightings right and they said

1185
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:14,599
well what about John Key the late John

1186
00:51:19,539 --> 00:51:17,210
keels Wesley effects a effect all right

1187
00:51:22,150 --> 00:51:19,549
well he worked with only 800 to a

1188
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:22,160
thousand punch cards back in the day I'm

1189
00:51:26,250 --> 00:51:24,650
bill 360 computer and punch cards was

1190
00:51:29,490 --> 00:51:26,260
the entry method at that time

1191
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:29,500
and most of them were skewed to the

1192
00:51:35,310 --> 00:51:32,890
southern states and the Southwest well

1193
00:51:37,020 --> 00:51:35,320
if I ran a report against just the

1194
00:51:38,220 --> 00:51:37,030
southern states in the southwest I would

1195
00:51:42,240 --> 00:51:38,230
be skewed the Wednesday or Thursday

1196
00:51:45,930 --> 00:51:42,250
myself okay but when you do the entire

1197
00:51:49,230 --> 00:51:45,940
country 76 percent were on Saturday

1198
00:51:51,180 --> 00:51:49,240
night now the South Carroll now this is

1199
00:51:53,550 --> 00:51:51,190
something funny South Carolina and North

1200
00:51:56,340 --> 00:51:53,560
Carolina and Mississippi a couple these

1201
00:51:57,750 --> 00:51:56,350
places it was Wednesday and in a couple

1202
00:52:00,780 --> 00:51:57,760
other southern states it was Thursday

1203
00:52:02,790 --> 00:52:00,790
and my spouse's interns were taking a

1204
00:52:04,970 --> 00:52:02,800
look at that and they said well we're

1205
00:52:07,859 --> 00:52:04,980
from down there that's Bible study night

1206
00:52:10,290 --> 00:52:07,869
again it confirms what we knew about UFO

1207
00:52:12,750 --> 00:52:10,300
sightings population temperate weather

1208
00:52:14,430 --> 00:52:12,760
leisure time and hours of darkness so

1209
00:52:15,990 --> 00:52:14,440
what's the leisure time you go out to

1210
00:52:17,370 --> 00:52:16,000
your church meeting you're coming out

1211
00:52:19,410 --> 00:52:17,380
here in the parking lot talking to

1212
00:52:21,870 --> 00:52:19,420
people just after dark and boom you're

1213
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:21,880
gonna see something okay very old works

1214
00:52:29,070 --> 00:52:25,810
out yeah 60 68 to 75 percent of the

1215
00:52:31,859 --> 00:52:29,080
sightings on it average day happened

1216
00:52:34,500 --> 00:52:31,869
after five o'clock with about fifty

1217
00:52:39,630 --> 00:52:34,510
percent of that amount happening between

1218
00:52:41,190 --> 00:52:39,640
8:30 and 10:30 at night okay and it's

1219
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:41,200
consistent the only place you see some

1220
00:52:45,690 --> 00:52:43,570
goofiness is you state the state

1221
00:52:47,370 --> 00:52:45,700
sometimes that peak is a little narrower

1222
00:52:49,380 --> 00:52:47,380
than others sometimes it goes up and

1223
00:52:51,720 --> 00:52:49,390
rounds out real nice okay but they all

1224
00:52:53,460 --> 00:52:51,730
fall off around midnight and then you

1225
00:52:55,380 --> 00:52:53,470
look at the one o'clock in the morning

1226
00:52:57,359 --> 00:52:55,390
number two six o'clock in the morning

1227
00:52:59,460 --> 00:52:57,369
yes usually there's a bump about five

1228
00:53:02,130 --> 00:52:59,470
o'clock and we used to tell people who

1229
00:53:04,050 --> 00:53:02,140
sees most UFO reports most UFOs dog

1230
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:04,060
walkers some smokers and people out for

1231
00:53:08,460 --> 00:53:05,770
that first smoke maybe walking the dog

1232
00:53:10,410 --> 00:53:08,470
right okay so we see that bump the first

1233
00:53:12,180 --> 00:53:10,420
dog first letting the dog out first

1234
00:53:12,900 --> 00:53:12,190
thing going out for that first smoke in

1235
00:53:15,210 --> 00:53:12,910
the morning yep

1236
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:15,220
yeah okay but we saw some other bumps in

1237
00:53:19,470 --> 00:53:17,650
other states give an example Arkansas

1238
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:19,480
sits three o'clock in the morning we

1239
00:53:24,930 --> 00:53:21,970
didn't understand that after I get the

1240
00:53:27,300 --> 00:53:24,940
presentation I had 12 men come up to me

1241
00:53:29,410 --> 00:53:27,310
and say we're all chicken farmers and we

1242
00:53:31,390 --> 00:53:29,420
grow a lot of chickens here in

1243
00:53:34,539 --> 00:53:31,400
Arkansas and that's when we're prepping

1244
00:53:36,670 --> 00:53:34,549
our birds to go to market okay okay

1245
00:53:38,230 --> 00:53:36,680
that's you can't ever house you go to

1246
00:53:40,240 --> 00:53:38,240
Las Vegas

1247
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:40,250
yeah here's a bump at one there's a bump

1248
00:53:44,109 --> 00:53:42,530
at two and a bumping for well though the

1249
00:53:45,430 --> 00:53:44,119
Nevada investigators said well that's

1250
00:53:49,630 --> 00:53:45,440
when the club said that the clubs in the

1251
00:53:52,510 --> 00:53:49,640
shows let out this study of the hourly

1252
00:53:54,910 --> 00:53:52,520
charts were as much about human activity

1253
00:53:55,990 --> 00:53:54,920
as much as it is the aliens not so much

1254
00:53:57,700 --> 00:53:56,000
than the ailing people say well why are

1255
00:53:59,589 --> 00:53:57,710
the aliens there at that time no no it's

1256
00:54:02,500 --> 00:53:59,599
are the people there to see those

1257
00:54:04,240 --> 00:54:02,510
observing things okay I took the

1258
00:54:05,559 --> 00:54:04,250
approach also London I took the approach

1259
00:54:08,170 --> 00:54:05,569
that these things are regularly

1260
00:54:11,349 --> 00:54:08,180
scheduled place you know there is one

1261
00:54:14,349 --> 00:54:11,359
shape that it's like that the rest of

1262
00:54:18,780 --> 00:54:14,359
the tiny numbers yet yeah 2,400

1263
00:54:24,670 --> 00:54:18,790
sightings in 18 years okay an average of

1264
00:54:28,150 --> 00:54:24,680
75 to 180 I'm sorry 75 to 181 with an

1265
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:28,160
average of 123 a year okay and so it

1266
00:54:32,140 --> 00:54:29,930
goes along as a straight line but it's

1267
00:54:35,410 --> 00:54:32,150
so tiny when you look at the graph but

1268
00:54:38,460 --> 00:54:35,420
all the sightings added up this guy is

1269
00:54:42,970 --> 00:54:38,470
barely off the bottom line of the graph

1270
00:54:46,089 --> 00:54:42,980
okay it's that tiny okay okay yeah but

1271
00:54:47,500 --> 00:54:46,099
it is almost a straight line it's a

1272
00:54:49,990 --> 00:54:47,510
regularly scheduled play I call them the

1273
00:54:53,020 --> 00:54:50,000
humble flier and the shape is called

1274
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:53,030
it's a changing UFO that's the one

1275
00:54:56,980 --> 00:54:54,770
that's got the stealth technology when

1276
00:54:59,049 --> 00:54:56,990
dr. Valley talks about it you look at

1277
00:55:00,910 --> 00:54:59,059
the thing and it changes on you that's

1278
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:00,920
the ultimate stealth say two things got

1279
00:55:06,789 --> 00:55:03,290
an AI technology in there that's running

1280
00:55:08,620 --> 00:55:06,799
the ship has the mechanical telepathic

1281
00:55:10,359 --> 00:55:08,630
ability whatever the heck and it knows

1282
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:10,369
you're looking at it so it changes its

1283
00:55:14,799 --> 00:55:12,410
appearance so you you can't get a grasp

1284
00:55:18,650 --> 00:55:14,809
on what it is that's the ultimate

1285
00:55:22,670 --> 00:55:18,660
stealth technology when you think about

1286
00:55:24,849 --> 00:55:22,680
amorphous ya oven on the vehicle and one

1287
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:24,859
of those numbers that I had to divide by

1288
00:55:33,140 --> 00:55:28,890
50 states yeah was about 2400 and that's

1289
00:55:36,769 --> 00:55:33,150
the 2400 slidin yeah funny how that

1290
00:55:40,549 --> 00:55:36,779
worked out huh so that was the mind game

1291
00:55:45,740 --> 00:55:42,859
well this is what I do on rainy after

1292
00:55:47,839 --> 00:55:45,750
you hey we all have our things but your

1293
00:55:49,609 --> 00:55:47,849
work is essential in this field and what

1294
00:55:52,220 --> 00:55:49,619
I always tell people is and this is why

1295
00:55:55,220 --> 00:55:52,230
you and I have both been approached you

1296
00:55:58,490 --> 00:55:55,230
know by production companies and stuff

1297
00:55:59,900 --> 00:55:58,500
like that is they want the numbers they

1298
00:56:00,529 --> 00:55:59,910
want to see where these things are

1299
00:56:03,710 --> 00:56:00,539
happening

1300
00:56:06,799 --> 00:56:03,720
so then investigators like myself can go

1301
00:56:08,599 --> 00:56:06,809
out and investigate them you have the

1302
00:56:11,269 --> 00:56:08,609
sight of the work you do in the apology

1303
00:56:13,789 --> 00:56:11,279
that is essential where are the patterns

1304
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:13,799
where are the flowers what are the

1305
00:56:18,170 --> 00:56:16,170
shapes where where and when are they

1306
00:56:20,569 --> 00:56:18,180
happening so that we can then go out and

1307
00:56:22,970 --> 00:56:20,579
talk to people who are happy yes the

1308
00:56:25,069 --> 00:56:22,980
experience and I think working together

1309
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:25,079
is where we're gonna find that kind of

1310
00:56:28,819 --> 00:56:27,450
game to figure out what's going on one

1311
00:56:31,009 --> 00:56:28,829
of the things we've discovered the last

1312
00:56:35,720 --> 00:56:31,019
past year I've been doing forensics yeah

1313
00:56:37,700 --> 00:56:35,730
okay digital forensics it's tedious work

1314
00:56:38,180 --> 00:56:37,710
but I've come up with ways of doing it

1315
00:56:40,190 --> 00:56:38,190
okay

1316
00:56:43,390 --> 00:56:40,200
some of them are simple is printing out

1317
00:56:46,180 --> 00:56:43,400
12 months

1318
00:56:48,940 --> 00:56:46,190
every day sightings that down the

1319
00:56:51,220 --> 00:56:48,950
left-hand side the page and 18 years

1320
00:56:53,170 --> 00:56:51,230
across the top of the page and every

1321
00:56:56,590 --> 00:56:53,180
each of those pages represents one month

1322
00:56:59,110 --> 00:56:56,600
for 18 years okay okay I staple them

1323
00:57:01,390 --> 00:56:59,120
together I put them on a clipboard grab

1324
00:57:04,390 --> 00:57:01,400
a bright highlighter and I go in and

1325
00:57:06,610 --> 00:57:04,400
watch my soaps and during the commercial

1326
00:57:09,720 --> 00:57:06,620
breaks I look at these monthly things

1327
00:57:13,930 --> 00:57:09,730
and when I look at the monthly things I

1328
00:57:16,510 --> 00:57:13,940
take I take the highlighter and I mark

1329
00:57:18,580 --> 00:57:16,520
the places most estates are mostly ears

1330
00:57:21,910 --> 00:57:18,590
daily average the United States is about

1331
00:57:25,780 --> 00:57:21,920
20 to 50 seconds total okay on a

1332
00:57:27,310 --> 00:57:25,790
day-by-day basis okay and then what you

1333
00:57:29,590 --> 00:57:27,320
do is you mark the ones where there's a

1334
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:29,600
jump in that society that's something I

1335
00:57:34,900 --> 00:57:31,490
usually have for the United States I say

1336
00:57:36,370 --> 00:57:34,910
anything over seven okay and yes and in

1337
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:36,380
a spreadsheet I can turn on two

1338
00:57:40,060 --> 00:57:38,210
conditional things to geeks I know I can

1339
00:57:42,070 --> 00:57:40,070
do that but sometimes I miss certain

1340
00:57:45,550 --> 00:57:42,080
things and the human eye can see other

1341
00:57:47,260 --> 00:57:45,560
things that's unusual okay so I tend to

1342
00:57:49,990 --> 00:57:47,270
do it with the felt that and then I also

1343
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:50,000
do the thing with the conditional

1344
00:57:53,050 --> 00:57:52,610
settings in Excel to take another look

1345
00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:53,060
at it

1346
00:57:58,960 --> 00:57:56,930
but sometimes the Hyun Isis things makes

1347
00:58:03,310 --> 00:57:58,970
a wisdom call and something that's not

1348
00:58:05,410 --> 00:58:03,320
quite that hard cold bottom floor okay

1349
00:58:07,750 --> 00:58:05,420
so what happens is then what I do is

1350
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:07,760
I'll I'll write down in fact I hit a

1351
00:58:13,570 --> 00:58:10,490
whole bunch of women volunteer I said if

1352
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:13,580
I sent you the day-by-day charts for a

1353
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:16,730
stick your home state you print it out

1354
00:58:21,820 --> 00:58:19,370
landscape and take a felt-tip to it and

1355
00:58:24,940 --> 00:58:21,830
mark it up and then send me back year

1356
00:58:26,770 --> 00:58:24,950
date month and day of all these clusters

1357
00:58:28,630 --> 00:58:26,780
don't need to know the number just tell

1358
00:58:30,190 --> 00:58:28,640
me what the day was anything above this

1359
00:58:32,170 --> 00:58:30,200
number for your state in a state like

1360
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:32,180
Connecticut or Massachusetts I tell them

1361
00:58:35,350 --> 00:58:33,650
as low as three because they don't have

1362
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:35,360
that many cite it he wrote on and I

1363
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:37,370
might just say check anything over to

1364
00:58:43,420 --> 00:58:39,130
you know

1365
00:58:46,990 --> 00:58:43,430
but they do this and I had about 18

1366
00:58:48,430 --> 00:58:47,000
women sign up two men 18 women signed up

1367
00:58:49,930 --> 00:58:48,440
and says sure I can do it I have one

1368
00:58:51,460 --> 00:58:49,940
lady came back to me says I can write

1369
00:58:53,500 --> 00:58:51,470
code to crunch all this stuff you know

1370
00:58:55,030 --> 00:58:53,510
so I mean I've got I believe assemble

1371
00:58:57,730 --> 00:58:55,040
and we told him we didn't see we would

1372
00:59:00,280 --> 00:58:57,740
credit them if we write this book but

1373
00:59:02,470 --> 00:59:00,290
what we've done is we go back in look at

1374
00:59:04,870 --> 00:59:02,480
the year do a data breakout break from

1375
00:59:08,890 --> 00:59:04,880
the databases call it up in a pivot

1376
00:59:12,339 --> 00:59:08,900
table of the year the date a specific

1377
00:59:13,930 --> 00:59:12,349
day boom there's and then we do it by

1378
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:13,940
state no okay here you go

1379
00:59:21,190 --> 00:59:15,530
I'll give you an example and there was

1380
00:59:22,990 --> 00:59:21,200
one end on April 16 2008 60 sightings in

1381
00:59:25,329 --> 00:59:23,000
one day jumped above the baseline of

1382
00:59:28,510 --> 00:59:25,339
about 20 so I broke it out and there's

1383
00:59:31,599 --> 00:59:28,520
about 15 states there new ones he

1384
00:59:33,310 --> 00:59:31,609
disease except Indiana Indiana snubber

1385
00:59:36,609 --> 00:59:33,320
15th state in the country one about

1386
00:59:41,410 --> 00:59:36,619
3,300 sightings in the last 18 years so

1387
00:59:44,050 --> 00:59:41,420
that's significant it was 25 salt we did

1388
00:59:46,630 --> 00:59:44,060
another breakout by counties in Indiana

1389
00:59:49,300 --> 00:59:46,640
and we saw one see two seas with the

1390
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:49,310
other counties and then Kokomo Connie

1391
00:59:56,079 --> 00:59:53,690
had 12 there another breakout down to

1392
00:59:57,430 --> 00:59:56,089
the city level and there's like six

1393
01:00:00,579 --> 00:59:57,440
cities of onesie twosie

1394
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:00,589
and then boom there is a this city our

1395
01:00:07,650 --> 01:00:03,890
Township called Howard in Kokomo County

1396
01:00:10,870 --> 01:00:07,660
Indiana Donna April 16 2008 had 12

1397
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:10,880
sightings understand I'm looking at a

1398
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:13,130
chart that on the average has nothing or

1399
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:16,130
onesie twosie son right okay and when

1400
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:19,250
you get down there yes so I mean you

1401
01:00:23,859 --> 01:00:21,250
know what discovering yeah yeah

1402
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:23,869
imagine someplace that you know about

1403
01:00:27,579 --> 01:00:26,210
it's got a volunteer fire department

1404
01:00:30,070 --> 01:00:27,589
maybe a general store that sells

1405
01:00:32,740 --> 01:00:30,080
haagen-dazs and and a half a dozen

1406
01:00:34,079 --> 01:00:32,750
trailers out there okay not much more

1407
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:34,089
than a cattle

1408
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:37,490
okay that has nothing going on all the

1409
01:00:43,599 --> 01:00:40,250
time but one year ago five years ago ten

1410
01:00:46,150 --> 01:00:43,609
years ago one particular day something

1411
01:00:48,279 --> 01:00:46,160
really amazing went down beats going to

1412
01:00:49,870 --> 01:00:48,289
places like Roswell in Kecksburg again

1413
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:49,880
doesn't it where nothing's happened

1414
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:50,690
exactly

1415
01:00:57,789 --> 01:00:53,690
and that's why I would be hungry to go

1416
01:00:59,349 --> 01:00:57,799
out to that place that's well the next

1417
01:01:01,150 --> 01:00:59,359
one we're doing we just did the national

1418
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:01,160
one okay we've got them marked up and

1419
01:01:05,049 --> 01:01:03,770
the girls were really fabulous women and

1420
01:01:06,220 --> 01:01:05,059
they're all gonna be credited in the

1421
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:06,230
book cool okay

1422
01:01:10,359 --> 01:01:07,970
a lot of women research there that was

1423
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:10,369
cool so the next one we're doing and

1424
01:01:15,099 --> 01:01:11,690
they all volunteer can we do some more

1425
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:15,109
so I'm doing the sort on individual

1426
01:01:21,039 --> 01:01:19,130
shapes okay by day and by eighteen years

1427
01:01:24,250 --> 01:01:21,049
across the top okay and we're gonna look

1428
01:01:26,650 --> 01:01:24,260
for individual shaped clusters now we've

1429
01:01:30,220 --> 01:01:26,660
already did Spears and boy we had some

1430
01:01:31,779 --> 01:01:30,230
stuff there too just opened our eyes you

1431
01:01:35,049 --> 01:01:31,789
know one particular now in California

1432
01:01:37,059 --> 01:01:35,059
yeah you might see oh yeah they had

1433
01:01:39,519 --> 01:01:37,069
seven seer seen in California on this

1434
01:01:41,950 --> 01:01:39,529
particular day but they got more

1435
01:01:44,740 --> 01:01:41,960
sightings than anybody else yeah but but

1436
01:01:49,779 --> 01:01:44,750
that they had that's seven sightings if

1437
01:01:51,789 --> 01:01:49,789
it was in Kansas bets or even New York

1438
01:01:53,950 --> 01:01:51,799
State that would be significant right

1439
01:01:56,260 --> 01:01:53,960
okay someplace other than California

1440
01:01:59,140 --> 01:01:56,270
yeah in a sack driven by populations

1441
01:02:02,410 --> 01:01:59,150
population temperate weather leisure

1442
01:02:04,210 --> 01:02:02,420
time and hours of darkness now I had

1443
01:02:06,730 --> 01:02:04,220
some people kind of corner me in and say

1444
01:02:08,319 --> 01:02:06,740
what about water and we saw a lot about

1445
01:02:10,269 --> 01:02:08,329
water but then we had to go back and

1446
01:02:10,710 --> 01:02:10,279
look at history remember your American

1447
01:02:12,910 --> 01:02:10,720
history

1448
01:02:16,180 --> 01:02:12,920
everybody built their villages in their

1449
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:16,190
towns around lakes and waterways because

1450
01:02:21,519 --> 01:02:19,010
it was a vehicle for transportation as

1451
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:21,529
well and those populations stayed there

1452
01:02:27,110 --> 01:02:24,170
so just because we have a lot of UFO

1453
01:02:30,980 --> 01:02:27,120
sightings around waterways does

1454
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:30,990
necessarily mean it's it's not bought

1455
01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:32,250
the water it might be about the

1456
01:02:37,870 --> 01:02:35,490
population in those concentrations okay

1457
01:02:40,730 --> 01:02:37,880
oh that's interesting

1458
01:02:43,250 --> 01:02:40,740
Cheryl I got a thank you we have some

1459
01:02:45,470 --> 01:02:43,260
strange conversations in my household I

1460
01:02:47,060 --> 01:02:45,480
can only imagine be a fly on the wall

1461
01:02:49,340 --> 01:02:47,070
but we've got to be a fly on the wall

1462
01:02:50,780 --> 01:02:49,350
today with you so I can't wait to see

1463
01:02:53,090 --> 01:02:50,790
your talk to thank you for having I

1464
01:02:55,850 --> 01:02:53,100
can't wait to work with you again where

1465
01:02:57,620 --> 01:02:55,860
can we find our work any all right now

1466
01:02:59,720 --> 01:02:57,630
the only thing is available right now is

1467
01:03:01,760 --> 01:02:59,730
the U of UFO sightings Desk Reference

1468
01:03:03,620 --> 01:03:01,770
okay UFO sightings Desk Reference

1469
01:03:05,900 --> 01:03:03,630
available on Amazon you just put that in

1470
01:03:08,090 --> 01:03:05,910
and I'll pop right up it's by Linda

1471
01:03:10,010 --> 01:03:08,100
Cheryl cost and Linda Miller cost though

1472
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:10,020
she's the brains of the operation she's

1473
01:03:12,590 --> 01:03:11,610
got the Saints if he's I got the top hat

1474
01:03:15,010 --> 01:03:12,600
Nick and I got an arts and entertainment

1475
01:03:17,060 --> 01:03:15,020
degree you know but I had crunching back

1476
01:03:19,370 --> 01:03:17,070
analysis and crunching background in the

1477
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:19,380
Navy and in 30 years of Lockheed so

1478
01:03:23,810 --> 01:03:21,930
that's where my background is we're

1479
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:23,820
getting ready of the newspaper I wrote

1480
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:25,410
for for seven years went out of business

1481
01:03:32,180 --> 01:03:29,490
in June we have retrieved all 236

1482
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:32,190
articles that I wrote over those seven

1483
01:03:36,140 --> 01:03:33,810
years all those newspaper articles that

1484
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:36,150
were very a matter-of-fact about UFOs we

1485
01:03:39,290 --> 01:03:38,010
wrote them up just like any car accident

1486
01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:39,300
or any house that burned down or

1487
01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:41,690
whatever our name lost kid you know and

1488
01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:44,370
we retrieved them at when the paper was

1489
01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:46,170
going out of business and we are going

1490
01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:47,730
to publish sometime before the first of

1491
01:03:51,980 --> 01:03:49,410
the year we're going to get published

1492
01:03:53,330 --> 01:03:51,990
all 236 of those articles on a trade

1493
01:03:55,460 --> 01:03:53,340
paperback and will probably be available

1494
01:03:58,250 --> 01:03:55,470
on Amazon again probably by the end of

1495
01:03:59,960 --> 01:03:58,260
year I said I can't wait and then we're

1496
01:04:03,170 --> 01:03:59,970
gonna do it and then work this year

1497
01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:03,180
we're hoping to do a cluster study and a

1498
01:04:07,610 --> 01:04:05,850
shapes cluster study and print a book

1499
01:04:08,820 --> 01:04:07,620
about that just all this stuff that we

1500
01:04:11,610 --> 01:04:08,830
discovered

1501
01:04:12,030 --> 01:04:11,620
I love it I love it Thank You sheriff my

1502
01:04:14,790 --> 01:04:12,040
pleasure

1503
01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:14,800
it's it's you are one of these shining

1504
01:04:18,900 --> 01:04:17,650
heroes in the field right now and the

1505
01:04:21,420 --> 01:04:18,910
fact that you've been featured in The

1506
01:04:25,350 --> 01:04:21,430
New York Times and all across the

1507
01:04:28,860 --> 01:04:25,360
country it's it's it shows that the work

1508
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:28,870
you're doing is not only beneficial to

1509
01:04:33,420 --> 01:04:30,970
our field but it is truly essential

1510
01:04:34,830 --> 01:04:33,430
now thank to the some of your listeners

1511
01:04:36,630 --> 01:04:34,840
probably want to know when our next book

1512
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:36,640
is the district's is coming up yes ours

1513
01:04:41,460 --> 01:04:38,290
came out 2017

1514
01:04:44,580 --> 01:04:41,470
it would have to be coming out in 2021

1515
01:04:47,610 --> 01:04:44,590
okay because we what we've decided to do

1516
01:04:49,830 --> 01:04:47,620
is take it out to 2020 we'll have a

1517
01:04:53,010 --> 01:04:49,840
clearer sample of the first 20 years of

1518
01:04:55,080 --> 01:04:53,020
the 21st century okay here's the problem

1519
01:04:56,940 --> 01:04:55,090
we were going to do it this year but if

1520
01:04:58,920 --> 01:04:56,950
we did the report with all the all the

1521
01:05:01,020 --> 01:04:58,930
resumes that we built all the deep-dive

1522
01:05:03,060 --> 01:05:01,030
leaves built if we did it the way we

1523
01:05:05,250 --> 01:05:03,070
wanted to do it literally being able to

1524
01:05:07,110 --> 01:05:05,260
drill down to the individual sea level

1525
01:05:09,900 --> 01:05:07,120
and be able to show you what shapes and

1526
01:05:12,300 --> 01:05:09,910
when they had them the book would be as

1527
01:05:14,670 --> 01:05:12,310
thick as a very large oxford dictionary

1528
01:05:17,070 --> 01:05:14,680
about eight inches deep okay we can't do

1529
01:05:17,460 --> 01:05:17,080
it forty-seven hundred pages we can't do

1530
01:05:19,860 --> 01:05:17,470
that

1531
01:05:23,910 --> 01:05:19,870
so what we're probably gonna do is hold

1532
01:05:27,170 --> 01:05:23,920
off to 2020 and imprint 50 individual

1533
01:05:29,910 --> 01:05:27,180
books for 51 51 individual states and

1534
01:05:31,890 --> 01:05:29,920
probably include DC and with Marilyn or

1535
01:05:33,540 --> 01:05:31,900
something like that but do 50 individual

1536
01:05:34,740 --> 01:05:33,550
books and then a couple of analysis

1537
01:05:37,020 --> 01:05:34,750
books and that will be the largest

1538
01:05:38,880 --> 01:05:37,030
collection of UFO data ever published

1539
01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:38,890
and Linda and I will walk off into the

1540
01:05:44,340 --> 01:05:42,610
sunset that's it for you guys well I

1541
01:05:46,330 --> 01:05:44,350
can't wait for all that it's so

1542
01:05:47,950 --> 01:05:46,340
cinematic

1543
01:06:27,700 --> 01:05:47,960
thank you

1544
01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:27,710
[Music]

1545
01:06:31,910 --> 01:06:29,450
[Applause]

1546
01:06:33,650 --> 01:06:31,920
somewhere in the skies is produced by

1547
01:06:35,870 --> 01:06:33,660
Third Kind productions in association

1548
01:06:37,370 --> 01:06:35,880
with the entertainment one podcast